Not every song is good for doing a rueda.
First, this is implied every time you take a Cuban dance class when they do not play any music by non-Cuban musicians (with the exception of Calle Real or Mayimbe). That is: when they don’t play “salsa.” Many instructors and/or Cuban music aficionados go beyond implying something and explicitly say it: one cannot do a rueda to “salsa” music. It simply doesn’t have that “thing”—they argue—that makes you want to move your body and get down with the music. It’s missing that humph that Cuban music has.
In a way, they are right. Music from 50 or 40 years ago—which is what gets played, mostly, in the salsa scene—doesn’t have the same feel that current Cuban music—what people call “timba”—has. I mean, just take a listen to this one:
Doing a rueda to the above song certainly feels out of place when all you’re used to dancing is more current Cuban music. The current stuff is what your mind has learned to associate with the rueda. Because that’s what instructors play during their lessons. Because that´s what DJs play at dance socials.
And because of this association, we discard anything that does not fit that paradigm of “Cuban music equals timba.” I´ve already extensively talked about the slippery slope that constitutes seeing Cuban music in such a monolithic manner here. So I will only say this here: just because it doesn´t sound like what you´re used to listening, it doesn´t mean it´s not Cuban music. Indeed, the above song is a cover of a Cuban song! The original is by one of the most successful Cuban music bands of the 50s, Conjunto Roberto Faz:
So why is Roberto Faz´s song not played at Cuban dance socials or classes? I’d argue that it is because it doesn’t fit the narrative of what current Cuban music is. And of course it isn’t current. The song is decades old. But it’s Cuban music nonetheless.
What I am trying to say is that arguing that ruedas cannot be done to a certain music (salsa) because that music is “not Cuban” and therefore doesn’t have the feel of Cuban music—well, that argument falls apart very easily when you consider older Cuban music.
And so a song’s viability as it pertains to doing a casino rueda is not really about whether or not said song is Cuban. What it really is about is what the music is doing and bringing out in the dancer.
To summarize: not every song is good for doing a rueda. But that has little to with its “Cubanness.”
Conversely: not every Cuban song is good for doing a rueda, as we saw with the example of Roberto Faz.
However, I’m going to take it a step further and state: not every Cuban song is good doing a rueda even if it is a more current song.
Once we do away with nationality, the impending question becomes: so what is it that makes a song “good” for doing a rueda?
Well, first we have to examine what we understand rueda de casino to be in order to understand why we prefer a certain music to dance casino in the rueda formation.
For many of us, rueda de casino constitutes what we are taught when we take classes. It’s the group dance in which everyone gets together to do, in unison, a choreographed set of moves that are called in random order by the caller who leads the rueda. While every now and then simple, one eight-count moves are called (i.e. adiós, vacila, enchufla), most of the time what gets called are figures which take more than one count of eight to be executed (i.e. dedo, montaña, setenta, adiós con la prima). If you have read my post on turnpatternitis (which I highly recommend reading before finishing this one), you know that these latter figures go better with the montuno of the song. During this section, the song is doing more interesting things, musically speaking; and so should we with our dancing.
However, as our contributor James Bucklew pointed out in his post about the lack of musicality exhibited when teaching to dance casino inside the rueda formation (read it here), most callers do not pay much attention to what is happening in the song, or what section of the song they are dancing to. And so you get complicated moves from early on, when the song is not really calling for it.
Take this song by El Gran Combo, for instance:
Most people trying to do a rueda de casino would be put off by the slow feel of the first minute of the song when trying to do moves like setenta, sombrero doble, montaña, Kentucky. It simply doesn´t feel “right” to do these moves during the first minute or so. And I’d agree: the song hasn’t reached the montuno yet, which is where most of these moves would find a better fit—both for dancing in the rueda and outside of it.
But fast forward this song to about 1:30 and you´ll get a totally different feel. Try doing the moves I mentioned, and now they won’t feel as forced.
And I repeat: the feeling a certain song is “bad” for a rueda has nothing to do with the fact that the above song was played by Puerto Ricans. Take the following song by Issac Delgado, a renowned Cuban musician, and try to do a rueda to the first two and a half minutes of it:
Quite arguably, the above song is horrible for a rueda. It’s got a very stretched-out introduction that makes it almost impossible to pull off a rueda. It can be done, but the person calling it has to be in total synch with the music—plus the rueda itself has to be made of people that are part of the same group and know their calls, not strangers.
Another example of this, this time by Paulito FG, who, unlike Issac Delgado, is known to be a hardcore timbero. Again: listen to the first two minutes of this song and try to envision a high-energy, crazy turn pattern rueda:
See? It simply cannot happen, at least not in the first two minutes, which is the duration of the introduction section. Once the montuno kicks in, then rueda moves become easier to envision because there is a definite change in tempo during the montuno.
What makes a song “good” or “bad” for a rueda, then, is not whether said song is Cuban or not. It’s about how closely the song follows the feel change that usually characterizes the introduction-montuno structure that all these songs have. (More on the introduction-montuno difference here.) That is, introduction equals slower, smoother feel; montuno equals more upbeat feel.
Therefore, when songs follow that closely, no matter if they are Cuban or not, dancing casino in a rueda, with its indiscriminate calling of moves regardless of song section, will feel out of place, weird. It will put you off.
So, what is a “good” song for a rueda?
Well, if we are seeing that in every example above, regardless of nationality, it feels “good”—or, at the very least “okay” if you are not a fan of non-Cuban bands— to do the rueda during the montuno sections, then, ideally, a “good” song for a rueda should only have a montuno. Like “Que hablen los habladores” by Michel Maza:
Alas, songs like the one above are a rare find. Indeed, most songs that we listen to do follow the introduction-montuno structure. However—and this is where the good news comes in—not all songs follow the introduction-montuno structure in terms of the feel that each section is supposed to have. That is, slower at first, then more upbeat.
There are songs that, even in their introduction, will have a more upbeat feeling to it. Like “Mamita pórtate bien” by Pupy y los que son son:
That is not to say that there is no demarcation between the introduction and the montuno. In the above song by Pupy y los que son son, at 1:23 you can clearly hear how the tempo picks up as they enter the montuno.
Or “La madrugada” by Elio Revé y su Charangón. Though the song follows the introduction-montuno structure, the introduction is upbeat, and you can, again, clearly hear the entrance of the montuno at 1:11:
Another one from Pupy:
One from Bamboleo, “El maíz”:
“Prepárate para lo que traigo” by Adalberto Álvarez y su Son:
“Resumen de los 90” by Havana D’Primera:
These are songs just to get you started thinking about this topic. There are tons more, including non-Cuban ones, which I did not provide here I´m catering here to an audience that is mostly looking for music by Cuban musicians.
Before finishing, I will like to reiterate the following: the label of “good” or “bad” song for a rueda in this post is used in exclusive reference to what tends to happen when ruedas are called nowadays. That is, the moves are called indiscriminately, regardless of the section of the song—when I believe there are certain moves which fit better certain sections. So, if that practice is to continue (calling moves, just because), then at least let’s do it with songs in which that would feel better to do.
If, as a caller, you’re going to call whatever you want, no matter what is happening in the song, then certainly not all songs are good for doing a rueda. In that sense, some are certainly better than others.
But if, on the other hand, you’re going to respect the musical structure and try to match it with corresponding figures, then there really is no song that is “bad” for a rueda.
Needless to say, I love these posts where you talk about the structure of Cuban music and draw upon your background and knowledge to make your points!
The article does beg a certain provocative question: These targeted rueda callers i.e. these rueda callers that pay absolutely no attention to the musicality of the rueda or the music they are dancing to, of what value is it to give them criteria for choosing “better” music for doing the terrible job they are doing? One might argue that IF these callers actually knew what the intro and montuno sections of a song were, they would hopefully realize that they should be calling different sorts of figures in those sections. Or do you view these as separate processes?
Anyway, thanks for another superb thought provoking article!
The way I see it, things are the way they are because people don’t know any better. That’s the whole point of this blog: to educate people a bit, give them a different point of view, show them another way–if they want to see it, of course. A lot of the stuff written here will always fall on some deaf ears. But at the end of the day, some people do listen, in their own ways, and so that’s where I see the value for what is written here. Thanks again for reading and the feedback! I’m glad you’re finding these posts helpful.
I’m not sure if it was on purpose, but you’ve listed very fast songs as your recommendations for rueda, which isn’t my favorite to be honest. I think I’d prefer something that either builds up to that speed (Los Van Van – Ven, ven, ven or Manolito y Sy Trabuco – Llego la musica Cubana) or something slow but melodious (Los Van Van – La Maquinaria or Charanga Habanera – Lola, Lola). For me, these yield more enjoyable ruedas because they give you a chance to connect with your partner(s) and really focus on the mechanics of the moves, a good idea considering there’s so much walking around between partners that happens during the songs.
Well, the thing about songs that build up to a certian speed is that we, as dancers inside the rueda, ALSO have to build up from simple to more complicated moves. Wouldn’t you agree? That is what I am arguing for here. Right now, the norm is to call whatever move, no matter what section of the song we are on, or what speed each section has. I’m not saying that you cannot do a rueda to songs that have a build up. Of course you can. And since you’re acknowleding that, musically, there is a build-up, then dance-wise there should be a build-up, too. I’m saying that we should adjust the moves called to each section. Most people, however, don’t care about what moves they call. Therefore a faster song does go better with whatever they do call. Remember, there is a specific crowd–and caller– I’m addressing in this post.
Well, my point is to try to add to the discussion rather than to try to contradict you. Perhaps it could even serve as inspiration for another blog post.
I guess the point I was making was that I personally prefer songs with strong accents and changes of pace because I can makes calls to match, whether it’s un fly to an accento or a turn patterns that matches the musical changes. Ven, ven, ven and Lola, lola are great for that kind of stuff. You like the fast stuff, which is cool and all, but there’s more to it. 🙂
We’re actually on the same page on all of this. I’m not saying that I “like the fast stuff”. On the contrary! In fact, what you’re saying about matching the moves with what happens in song, that is EXACTLY what I’m saying!
Juan “El Abuelo” Gomez Says!
“Rueda De Casino can be danced to any music as long as it has a 4 or 8 count in the music.”
“Rueda De Casino can apply to different types of Rhythms in Cuban as well as around the world.”
I am no expert, and I agree with the original post for the most part but, I am also looking at the issue as “Musicality” and the association of current moves used in today’s Rueda De Casino callers & dancers. So music is not the issue. Using the correct or incorrect music for calling or participating in Rueda De Casino, is not as important. But once again, the music is not the issue. The issue is that newer moves were created and the newer moves do not look as good with some music as it does with other music. Not to take anything from Timba because I love Timba or any other form of music Genre most of us use to dance Rueda. But when “Rueda De Casino” started, they had no Timba or any other modern Latin Genre.
To me, the first time I heard Timba music, I felt the old school “Son” underneath it all, with a flavor of “Reggeton” & “Cuban Rumba” with a side order of “Salsa,” all in a large plate. Just like a typical Cuban Restaurant meal. Rice & Beans with a Breaded Steak, Fried Bananas and an Avocado & Onion salad. “Cono Que Rico!” or Yummy! For people who don’t know Cuban slang.
So let’s look at the History of Rueda De Casino for some answers.
The video link below shows an Old School, Cuban Man, Juan “El Abuelo” Gomez in a typical passionate & expressive Cuban style, talking about Rueda De Casino in all aspects, from the beginning of Rueda De Casino to today’s expression of Rueda De Casino. Per the video he is one of the many founders of Rueda De Casino that came together when they regrouped in 2003 with approx. 300+ members strong.
I want to also say that the translator does a superb job relaying the information back and forth.
Here is the link to the video interview: ( https://vimeo.com/166414688 )
Thank’s to DreamCollageArt, DC Casineros and a fellow Rueda In The Park Chapter member for posting this link. If you don’t want to watch the complete video I will try and summarize most of it below.
“Rueda De Casino” started with some teenagers getting together in a place called “Casino De Portivo” or “Athletic Community Center” per the translations. The backbone of the music as stated around 8:30 was the Son, that grew into the Cuban Son, as he describes it’s the simplicity and evolution of this Genre, or the roots of the Cuban Son In the 50’s. “Cuban Son,” became more structured and some groups were called, “Conjunto,” this happened as the Genre spread to more affluent areas, the Musical Groups/Orchestras then came about due to access to more fine instruments that were available rather than crude instruments like boxes for drums, and paper over combs as horns, those were used in Son and so then the young teenagers, started to use the Orchestras as a musical framework or structure where Rueda De Casino was first formed. He then continues and states that Rueda had a ROCK & ROLL influence. He believes this was all in part due to a movie called “Rock Around the Clock.”
At 17:33 He explains how the importance of “Musicality” and the difference of a good dancer a great dancer.
At 18:30 as young Teenagers, Rueda De Casino was started to just hang out and to have some fun. All thought up by Teenagers as I said above. He continues to express that because of the those ideas to invent a fun dance as teens just to have fun, Rueda De Casino has become popular, and continues appeal to today teens because of that basic idea they used to invent Rueda De Casino, It was created, Just to have fun!
At 20:00 he expresses how the dancer provides the drive for Rueda De Casino to grow and not the music driving the dance style. One example used was that you can dance Rueda De Casino to Reggeton today. He also stated that “Rueda De Casino can be danced to any music as long as it has a 4 or 8 count in the music.” Traditionally after the foundation and the regrouping of the older members, they would use approx. 12 couples.
At 28:20 he starts to explain how catchy and addictive Rueda De Casino is and how it can be a way of life.
At 29:20 he starts to describe his point of view of the History of how Salsa Came to be and the roll of Jerry Masucci and the record label Fania, creating the Genre we know today as Salsa. He also expresses that in his opinion 95% Salsa Music came from Cuban Music he also continues to express that most other countries have Salsa music but without any deep roots or foundation below it or any indication as to where it came from. He says when you start to research Son or Cuban music you find the Base in that music to support Salsa.
At 37:00 as I understood it. He expresses or explains how he is amazed that today, at his age of 69, Rueda De Casino can apply to different types of Rhythms in Cuban as well as around the world. He feels that because it was a dancers proposal and not a musicians proposal that is what has made it last so long. He expresses himself once again and states that today we have Reggaton and we can dance Rueda De Casino to Reggeton with no issues at all. He is referring to the founders of, “Rueda De Casino.” He is sure it will continue to evolve and be danced to with many different rhythms and Musical Genre as long as the count is the same. The dance will continue to get older but with hopes it will continue to be reborn and that a legacy they started, and will continue to grow and be popular.
So we hear it from the source, one of the Founders of Rueda de Casino. It has been stated that. “Rueda De Casino can be danced to any music as long as it has a 4 or 8 count in the music.” And “Rueda De Casino can apply to different types of Rhythms in Cuban as well as around the world.”
So here you are, all the info to understand why we have such a conflict between people who say, “That is not a good Rueda Song.”
Many of the Rueda moves can be done with just one couple in a social environment, but it’s much more fun to dance Rueda in a group to laugh and enjoy when people mess up a move.
But still, as a couple you can enjoy dancing most social Rueda moves to almost any modern Latin Genre when you look at just those social moves.
Most of the moves that just don’t fit with all modern Latin Genre are the group moves anyway.
Have you ever noticed that Dancing Rueda in the closed position looks a lot like watching people dancing to Cuban Son?
I belong to “Rueda In The Park” it is a Rueda De Casino group with many chapters.
I was born in Southern California with parents from Cuba & Puerto Rico.
Unfortunately I did not grow up in N.Y. so I was somewhat isolated from modern Latin Music while growing up in the 70’s,
But I was able to listen to many of my Fathers old traditional Cuban Music on 4 & 8 Track tape as well as LP’s as a child with many Artist like the great Beny More and Orquesta Aragon, even some additional random Genre like Mambo, Cha Cha Cha and even some O.G. Cuban Rumba, but with all that music,
I did not learn to appreciate any modern Latin Music until my late teens. So, Living in Los Angeles, I would listen to 70’s Rock. and then moved to Disco into the late 70’s and so, I missed the Fania & Salsa Hype.
Then started to enjoyed all of the 80’s music from Top 40 including the Great Michael Jackson to Ska to New Wave, Club/Imports and including the beginning of Hip Hop & Rap.
So with all that listening of different kinds of music Genre, it allowed me to be a pretty good Mobile DJ. Not only did I enjoy different kinds of music as a Mobile D.J. but, I would play what the people at the events wanted to listen and dance to just by watching the reaction to the music and not play what I wanted to listen to for myself.
So for many parties including Weddings, High School Dances, Quince Ano or “Sweet 16’s,” House Parties and some Local Cuban Club events, the music for the adults became another source to allow me to learn the appreciation of some newer Modern Latin Music, like Salsa, Merengue, and Cumbia.
All this was happening at the time I was dating a Cuban girl with old school Cuban parents. Her mother would always ask me to play more Cuban or Salsa music many times at some of the New Year’s Cuban Club events, because, what I was playing, sounded like the same beat over and over to her. Just like one extremely long song.
I walked over to the Adult crowd dance hall of the New Year’s event just to listen to the Live Band and to watch what they were dancing to and it was then at that point I realized just how hard it was to have a true open mind as a young man.
I was thinking that all Latin music had not evolved.
I thought all Latin music was old but little did I know that Latin music had many different Genre now and grew into something completely different.
I thought my dad’s Old School Music was dead but it was not. It was here to stay for a long time but just a slightly different twist to it.
It wasn’t like any of the music I liked in the 70’s or 80’s where it was a trend and then faded away. A quick and simple example of this is today we call 70’ Rock, “Classic Rock.” To me “Classic Rock” is Elvis not Led Zeppelin.
So anyway if I was going to keep dating and get married to that Cuban girl I was dating, I had to make the future mother in law very happy and play what she wanted. 😉
So I included that Latin music Genre into my DJ playlist very fast!
The reason I wrote all this about my experience was to express how most of today’s Latin Music and a lot of POP music comes from many other older forms and roots and that I myself even while having a large appreciation for trendy current music in general at a young age, I had a hard time accepting Modern Latin Music.
But when I started to listen to that Latin music it had helped me to open my eyes as to how many people enjoy so many different kinds of Modern Latin Genre, and it was not just that old music anymore.
Some may be purest and still have a hard time enjoying anything other than older Genre, not knowing that the new Genre may give a somewhat twist on what they loved as a young child or even listen to while scanning the Local Radio station. Some listen for a while and just skip over it.
So we should all just learn to enjoy all Latin music for Rueda, old and new, and just dance “Rueda De Casino” with our minds and ears open.
Couldn’t agree more, about Cuban music or any particular era having a monopoly on being good for ruedas or for casino generally. How much this is a personal preference, you decide, but having looked at what me and the Mrs like dancing to, irrespective of the cuerpo, I’ve found a lot boils down to the length of the piano tumbao. A long cycle of 4 claves, particularly when different elements of the orchestra finish their cycle at slightly different times, lends songs a relentlessness that we just love dancing to. For me at least, it works well with building longer concatenations of moves, in couple or rueda. On the other hand, a 1 or even two clave cycle can sometimes leave you feeling high and dry in the middle of a sequence.